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03 July 2016 @ 05:18 pm
Independence Day and BrExit  
Continuous celebration of Independence Day in the US seems a bit weird, considering BrExit.

Kind of like continuous May 9th Victory Day parades in Russia.

Isn't it time to stop promoting isolationism? We live in a connected world now.

Or could it be that isolationism prevents the United States from turning into Empire?
 
 
 
convertorcon_vertor on July 3rd, 2016 11:33 pm (UTC)
ну всё-таки есть разница.
будучи членом Евросоюза у Британии был суверенитет.

Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 01:40 pm (UTC)
> у Британии был суверенитет

.. который они решили усилить, проголосовав за отделение.

Кстати, американские колонии - тоже обладали частичной независимостью и не платили столько налогов, сколько платили британцы в самой Великобритании.
occam_agaoccam_aga on July 4th, 2016 05:43 am (UTC)
independent node is more connected because connection becomes undirected contrary to directed connection to a colony
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 01:42 pm (UTC)
Do you think that BrExit was the best choice?
occam_agaoccam_aga on July 4th, 2016 02:12 pm (UTC)
I didn't watch the process. Actually first heard about BrExit after they have already voted :) Even now I don't care much. It is summer, we have been to Yellowstone and go for a trip pretty much every week. Plus two projects besides work. I have more interesting things than legal formalities on the other side of the world.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)
I did not ask you about legal formalities of BrExit.
I only asked you if practical conclusion from your independent node theory would be that separation of Britain from EU was the best choice that voters made.
occam_agaoccam_aga on July 4th, 2016 08:21 pm (UTC)
My if, you wish, "theory" doesn't state anything about what's choice is better, let alone best. I even can't tell exactly if it is applicable to EU without knowing above mentioned legal formalities. I only compared connectedness of (metropoly -> colony) versus (state - state) graphs in the context of "celebration of Independence Day" and isolationism.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 08:35 pm (UTC)
So your comment is only about Independence Day celebration in the US, but not about BrExit?

You could consider EU more similar to colonial relationship (because it's only one connection to a larger unit as opposing to graph of relations with other states).
occam_agaoccam_aga on July 4th, 2016 08:38 pm (UTC)
"... but not about BrExit?"

Right.
Clean and soberanspa on July 4th, 2016 05:09 pm (UTC)
Независимость не есть изоляционизм. Суть две разных идеи.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 06:31 pm (UTC)
Independence is part of isolationism, but yes: isolationism is more than just Independence.

I think that celebration of Independence Day keeps isolationism alive in the US.
Would you agree?
Clean and soberanspa on July 4th, 2016 08:26 pm (UTC)
No. I think it's a big effing island, that's why. What do you know about politics in Africa?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 08:32 pm (UTC)
What island do you mean?
The US is a continental country [mostly].

I know a little about African politics, but not much. How is that related?
occam_agaoccam_aga on July 4th, 2016 08:35 pm (UTC)
Britain was kind of isolating it's American colonies by preventing free trade. See "Tea Act of 1773" and "Wool Act of 1699". So independence reduced the isolation in some sense.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC)
Independence from corrupt organization
I did not know that one of the key causes of American Revolution was corruption of British Parliament.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Act
The principal objective was to reduce the massive amount of tea held by the financially troubled British East India Company in its London warehouses and to help the struggling company survive.
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Considering typical business-government relationships it is reasonable to assume that East Indies Company bribed British parliamentarians, who decided to solve East India Company problems at the expense of North American colonies.
Colonists, naturally, decided to have none of it and declared independence from corrupt king's regime.

Back to the future (2016), and Brits tired of corrupt EU regulations exited European Union.

American Revolution and BrExit are actually based on the same historical trend: corrupt organizations shrink.
Clean and soberanspa on July 4th, 2016 05:10 pm (UTC)
I think what saves America is time zones. To live behind the whole world.. is wise. =)
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 06:24 pm (UTC)
I wish there were no timezones. I would be happy to switch to UTC.
Clean and soberanspa on July 4th, 2016 08:26 pm (UTC)
That would be kind of pointless though.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 4th, 2016 08:29 pm (UTC)
It would be easier to schedule international meetings and report time.
СБsab123 on July 5th, 2016 02:19 am (UTC)
Ну вот и у англичан теперь будет свой день независимости :-)
gena_t: pic#71073484gena_t on July 12th, 2016 07:30 am (UTC)
Англичанам нужно к США присоединиться. Как штат или как несколько штатов. Вот на фига и кому эта Великобритания нужна? Королеву можно будет даже сохранить.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 12th, 2016 07:43 am (UTC)
Ну уж нет. Королева, как раз, не нужна.
Да и дополнительные британские штаты - тоже не нужны.
А вот беспошлинная торговля и безвизовые перемещения и работа - это было бы очень хорошо.
topumtopum on July 14th, 2016 10:19 pm (UTC)
Quite jump there from independence to isolationism. Independence does not necessarily mean isolationism.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 14th, 2016 11:05 pm (UTC)
You are right that independence is not the same as isolationism.

Could it be that continuous celebration of independence prevents the United States from turning into Empire?