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09 October 2013 @ 11:49 pm
My village: thief and police  
Yesterday night:
Thief sneaked into our car that was unlocked and was parked next to our house and stole GPS + $8 cash.

Today morning:
Natasha noticed that GPS is missing and called 911.
Police officer came to our house.
Asked what happened, collected DNA samples from our car.

Today afternoon (less than two hours later):
Police officer came back and brought our stolen GPS to us.

Turned our that the thief is 18 years old teenager from the next street.
Apparently he got in some other legal troubles, police was investigating him and thief's parents found our GPS in their house.

That was pretty quick.

Now the question is: should we press charges?
 
 
 
журнал закрытjuan_gandhi on October 10th, 2013 04:08 am (UTC)
OMFG.

I would not. Just say hi to your local Trayvon.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 04:23 am (UTC)
Why not?
Members of our neighborhood group are claiming that they would press charges "to teach the kid a lesson and also let others know it's not the right thing to do".
журнал закрытjuan_gandhi on October 10th, 2013 05:43 pm (UTC)
I do not think it will serve any useful purpose.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 06:13 pm (UTC)
How about "making my neighborhood safer place to live" for a purpose?
журнал закрытjuan_gandhi on October 10th, 2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
For this guy it was enough, I believe. It would only serve to scare other idiots, but I personally would prefer not to make human sacrifices for the sake of scaring others.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC)
Scaring off other idiots is an important component of that prosecution.
The punishment does not have to be harsh and it would be up to judge to decide what is the most appropriate sentence in that case.

Why do you think that letting go would lead to less human sacrifices? The kid could get spoiled and that would hurt him and others around him.
журнал закрытjuan_gandhi on October 11th, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC)
Well... you are right, too. Who knows.
yakov_a_jerkov: pic#56413636yakov_a_jerkov on October 10th, 2013 04:23 am (UTC)
При чем тут Trayvon?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 04:32 am (UTC)
До Trayvon-а от нас два часа на машине.
Так что некоторые паралели прослеживаются.

И я бы предпочёл подобных персонажей в своей деревне не видеть.
yakov_a_jerkov: pic#56413636yakov_a_jerkov on October 10th, 2013 04:19 pm (UTC)
Так при чем тут Трайвон-то?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 04:26 pm (UTC)
Трайвон тоже создавал проблемы по месту жительства.
yakov_a_jerkov: pic#56413636yakov_a_jerkov on October 10th, 2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
Трайвон был арестован за воровство? Трайвон -- это популярный пример молодого вора, имя нарицательное?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 04:36 pm (UTC)
Не помню, был ли Трайвон арестован, но он и воровал тоже.
Трайвон - это пример подростка, создающего проблемы живущим в его районе.
yakov_a_jerkov: pic#56413636yakov_a_jerkov on October 10th, 2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
Не помню, был ли Трайвон арестован, но он и воровал тоже.

Это вообще уже ни в какие ворота не лезет. Откуда известно, что Трайвон воровал, если он даже арестован не был?

Трайвон - это пример подростка, создающего проблемы живущим в его районе.

Какие именно проблемы? Насколько мне известно, Трайвон известен исключительно тем, что его застрелил Зиммерман.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
Драки, воровство, наркота.
Зиммерман же его не случайно застрелил.
yakov_a_jerkov: pic#56413636yakov_a_jerkov on October 10th, 2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
Дальше в лес -- больше дров.

Зиммерман его за драки, воровство и наркоту застрелил. Понятно.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
За драку (точнее избиение) Зиммермана.
журнал закрытjuan_gandhi on October 10th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)
Cool down man.
Это мои attitude problems. Never mind.
Tanoshiitanoshii_ru on October 10th, 2013 05:45 am (UTC)
офигеть. теперь мне есть что рассказать нашим поцреотам о том, КАК работает наша полиция :))
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 01:51 pm (UTC)
To be fair - quality of police work depend not only on the country, but also on location within country.
Typically the better neighborhood is - the better quality of police work.

Still, in all places in the US that I lived the quality of police work (responsiveness, effort, respect) was better than in Russia.
Tanoshii: ...tanoshii_ru on October 10th, 2013 05:56 pm (UTC)
Ну у нас и от места проживания практически ничего не зависит :)

А по качеству работы есть прекрасная история у меня: года два назад одна знакомая попыталась вступиться за женщину, которую избивал мужик днём в воскресенье на улице в районе цирка (читай практически центр) - за что получила хороший удар, после чего упала и получила перелом основания черепа.

Как только в больнице она пришла в себя, к ней приехали менты, которые стали жалостливо объяснять ей, что её дело - это явный "висяк" (т.е. дело, которое невозможно никак вообще раскрыть) и попросили написать отказ от возбуждения дела. Повторяю: в воскресенье днём в центре города чуть не убивают человека на глазах у нескольких десятков свидетелей и это абсолютно нераскрываемое преступление :)

Твоё "образцы ДНК" на этом фоне вообще выглядит как какая-то фантастика из сериала "Декстер" :)
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 06:20 pm (UTC)
Довольно странно даже для России. Может мужик ментам взятку дал?
Tanoshii: ...tanoshii_ru on October 10th, 2013 06:40 pm (UTC)
он скрылся с места происшествия и его не нашли.
ничего странного, наша полиция вообще не умеет работать.
fatoff: pic#108054206fatoff on October 10th, 2013 02:27 pm (UTC)
Not bad. And not pressing charges... no use in this case.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 02:36 pm (UTC)
Police detective visited us this morning and asked "why you guys don't want to press charges? The guy obviously done multiple burglaries."

So, in that light - why are you saying "no use in this case"?

If that teen would end up in jail he (and his friends) would not be roaming around our neighborhood anymore, right?
fatoff: pic#108054206fatoff on October 10th, 2013 02:43 pm (UTC)
I thought it is more of hooliganism for him and he will probably recover. But he he burglarized people many time already. If it is that serious then I am wrong and you should press charges.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
Yeap.
Besides, he never said "I'm sorry, I would not do it again".
It was not him, who returned our GPS back to us.
And he still owes us $8.

So the only reason not to press charges is that it could be time consuming.
But may be not. May be the thief would claim "guilty", get his sentence cut and we would avoid the hustle with the trial.
Clean and sober: aboutloveanspa on October 10th, 2013 03:16 pm (UTC)
My line would be - "Yes, officer. I will sign the complain".
Clean and sober: aboutloveanspa on October 10th, 2013 03:16 pm (UTC)
Or complaint. Whatever.
cranequinier: 65x70cranequinier on October 10th, 2013 03:00 pm (UTC)
Я смотрю никто не задает главные неполиткорректные вопросы: какого цвета у воришки кожа и какая у него семья?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 03:09 pm (UTC)
Про цвет кожи точно не знаю, но вроде бы нет.

I know this:
1) That family is renting house that we looked at 2+ years ago and decided not rent.

2) Parents have trouble with the kid and want to push him out of their house.
Clean and sober: aboutloveanspa on October 10th, 2013 03:14 pm (UTC)
Now imagine frustration of police - they did they job, they found the thief, they recovered stolen property... and you do not want to press charges.
Just for matter of effectiveness of police work, I would not hesitate 2 minutes.. The youth needs correction. He will be spared of much trouble and treated mildly, I am sure.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 10th, 2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
I asked policeman yesterday: "What SHOULD we do?" (press charges or not).
He told us that he's ok either way.
If he felt frustration - he made sure not to show it.

Today's detective was more direct.

So I guess we would.

I asked the detective: "what do we do?".
And he said: "just wait".

Not sure exactly what that means, but I guess police would ask us if/when our involvement is needed.
onanim.wordpress.com on October 11th, 2013 05:17 am (UTC)
Moscow university finished?
You cannot file charges, you can press ones.
Was he a negro?
Dennis Gorelik: 2009dennisgorelik on October 11th, 2013 05:39 am (UTC)
Thanks for the correction.
I don't exactly know who he is.
montana25montana25 on October 11th, 2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't press charges. ..but is up to you guys
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on October 11th, 2013 06:49 pm (UTC)
Why not?
Max: Realhobober on December 7th, 2013 09:55 am (UTC)
В идеале конечно поговорить бы с воришкой.
Если виден в целом нормальный человек и раскаяние - не предъявлять.
Если там злобные глазки и человек выраженно не нравится - предъявлять.
Как-то так :)

А вот в Детройте раскрывают всего 9% преступлений, там ад и население покидает город:
http://karial.livejournal.com/358981.html
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 7th, 2013 02:19 pm (UTC)
Детройт уже много лет славится тем, как там плохо.