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07 July 2005 @ 10:10 pm
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If anyone needs mail at gmail.com --- I have some invites...
 
 
 
selfmade on July 8th, 2005 04:44 am (UTC)
Wanna Big Brother watch on you? Get FREE Gmail account.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 04:49 am (UTC)
Big brother watching
Why do you mind if Big Brother watching you?
selfmade on July 8th, 2005 05:01 am (UTC)
Re: Big brother watching
I don't want my private mail to be "accidentially" or "by highest authority's order" or by whatever reason publicly shared. And Google is well known to store all information that goes through Gmail even info that user purged from the trash folder.

"Anything you say can and will be used against you" (c) anonymous lawyer
Big brother watching - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 05:17 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Big brother watching - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 05:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Big brother watching - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 02:01 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Big brother watching - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 03:51 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Gmail search - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 03:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail search - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 04:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Read someone else's email? Boring! - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Read someone else's email? Boring! - shwars on July 8th, 2005 10:46 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Gmail or not Gmail? - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 11:38 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - shwars on July 8th, 2005 11:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Explicit knowledge representation - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 02:17 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Explicit knowledge representation - shwars on July 9th, 2005 06:53 am (UTC) (Expand)
Explicit knowledge representation - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 01:32 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Explicit knowledge representation - shwars on July 9th, 2005 10:15 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Explicit knowledge representation - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 10:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Explicit knowledge representation - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Explicit knowledge representation - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 04:27 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - shwars on July 9th, 2005 06:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 04:45 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - shwars on July 9th, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 10:50 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:02 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Gmail or not Gmail? - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 05:48 am (UTC) (Expand)
Maxhobober on July 8th, 2005 07:40 am (UTC)
Tell me any reason why gmail.com is better than mail.ru? :)
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 01:54 pm (UTC)
1) Gmail has 2+ Gb mailbox size. So you just don't delete mail from server and can always look for your email history.
2) Gmail has the most powerful search --- you can search for your old emails with any word or phrase which you want to.
3) I think that gmail's spam filters are better than anywhere else.
selfmade on July 8th, 2005 03:56 pm (UTC)
1) For average email user as I am 100-200 Mb of mail server space is more than enough
BTW, I'm using 2 mail servers. One of then has UNLIMITED mailbox and another one had 1 Gb one year ago and probably they extended it.

2) How often do you use smart search within your emails?

3) Prove, please. :)
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 04:11 pm (UTC)
1) Even 10MB is enough is you are not going to store&search your email history on server.
The biggest advantage of Gmail is exactly this store&search feature.
2) I'd say that ~once a week I need to search within my email history. I need this smart search.
At this point I didn't really try Gmail smart search, since my email database at Gmail is small yet.
I'll tell you about my success in Gmail smart search later.
3) I don't have strong prove of quality of Gmail spam-filters.
At this point I didn't get any spam on Gmail account, but that's not the prove yet, since I'm just starting actively use Gmail.
In theory, Google's spam-filtering approach is the best, but again - I didn't have chance to test it in practice.
(no subject) - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Spam test - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 04:24 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 04:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Spam test - dennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 05:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - selfmade on July 8th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 01:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 08:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 08:38 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test --- Some reading - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 02:01 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Spam test --- Some reading - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Dmitri Soshnikovshwars on July 8th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
I wonder why are you getting excited about gmail so late, while it's already in place for quite some time...

I think you are right saying that gmail is cool, and they were the first ones offering 1 Gb of storage at the time they appeared. Apparently, many of the things Google does happen to be cool - I have started using Google Picasa for handling pictures and doing simple retouching, and they were smart to acquire blogger.com in time...

So Gmail is excellent, but not revolutionary - just one step forward. The same can be said almost about any IT product that appears - the most revolutionary one I have seen in the last few years being LinkedIn... Google Maps are another evolutionary thing (there have already been NASA sattelite maps available, but not exactly online), but probably quite an influential one.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 8th, 2005 11:32 pm (UTC)
1) I'm excited about Gmail only now because I finally started to use it :-)
Actually I was excited before, but it was kind of remote excitement, not very real :-)

2) It's practically impossible to bring completely revolutional idea into production in a reasonable amount of time. Google does the best --- makes ideas feasible and implements them ASAP.

3) How do you use LinkedIn? Is it useful?
Dmitri Soshnikovshwars on July 8th, 2005 11:43 pm (UTC)
I guess only (3) needs answering:
I personally do not use LinkedIn much, but I know people who do. Besides, I like the idea (it is not revolutionary, but implementations are rare), and we actually build up our projects on top of similar principles (FOAF-like).
(no subject) - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 05:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Полный булшит - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 08:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Полный булшит - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Полный булшит - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 10:33 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Полный булшит - selfmade on July 10th, 2005 12:42 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shwars on July 9th, 2005 10:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 10:26 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shwars on July 9th, 2005 10:47 pm (UTC) (Expand)
To buy LiveJournal - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:02 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: To buy LiveJournal - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:10 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: To buy LiveJournal - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: To buy LiveJournal - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: To buy LiveJournal - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - selfmade on July 9th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:15 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - selfmade on July 10th, 2005 12:16 am (UTC) (Expand)
Is Google linked? - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Is Google linked? - shwars on July 9th, 2005 11:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Is Google linked? - dennisgorelik on July 9th, 2005 11:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Maxhobober on July 10th, 2005 09:33 am (UTC)
By the way, this post is record post in your journal because the comments amount :)

Any dispute brings avalanche of comments :))
Herewith the disput's essence is not important...
selfmade on July 22nd, 2005 08:39 pm (UTC)
Gmail крут, говорите...
http://www.livejournal.com/users/yorool_gui/98115.html

Наверное, только по пятницам.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on July 22nd, 2005 08:51 pm (UTC)
Один случай не показатель. Тем более что мы не знаем почему именно его rar-архив был завернут. Кстати, еще неизвестно кто именно завернул его email - Gmail или сервер принимающей стороны.
selfmade on July 22nd, 2005 09:10 pm (UTC)
Сервер принимающей стороны и есть Гугл.

Я только что провёл эксперимент. Google не принимает файлы с аттачментом RAR.

Reporting-MTA: dns; xxx.xxx.net
Arrival-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:04:55 -0600 (MDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; xxx@gmail.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[64.233.163.27]
said: 552 5.7.0 Illegal Attachment 19si116979nzp

Для сравнения www.mail.ru принял такое же письмо без проблем.
(no subject) - dennisgorelik on July 22nd, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - selfmade on July 22nd, 2005 09:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - dennisgorelik on July 22nd, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC) (Expand)
selfmade on July 22nd, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC)
Хотя, конечно, второй случай тоже не показатель. :)