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30 November 2011 @ 11:29 pm
Google Blogger deleted my blog  
That's not the first Blogger deleted one of my blogs by mistake, but this time it looks like I'm not getting my blog back.

Here's the discussion with "helping Samaritan":

Dennis Gorelik: I personally wrote every one of these articles.
There is (and never was) scrapped content there.


nitecruzr: OK, back to the "scraping" operations.
1. From where do you scrape?
2. To where do you scrape?
3. How often do you scrape?
4. Do you scrape whole pages, whole posts, or excerpts?
5. Is it possible that someone else scrapes a second time - regardless of whether you "control" such process or not?


No surprise that Blogger is on the decline:
Clean and soberanspa on December 1st, 2011 05:09 am (UTC)
"There is (and never was) scrapped content there."

это что по твоему должно было значить? ты слово no пропустил?
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 1st, 2011 05:20 am (UTC)
Thanks - I see it now.
Yes, I missed "no".
Should have written "There is no scrapped content there".

Anyway, what do I do about it?
Restoring that blog would be nice, but not important. (I don't plan writing using Blogger anyway).
But I'd like to find out why they deleted my blog in the first place.
Clean and soberanspa on December 1st, 2011 05:31 am (UTC)
If I were you at that point I would make a promise to myself to only use resources that I pay for (hence can ask for satisfaction). =)
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 1st, 2011 05:38 am (UTC)
Is that the lesson you've learned from DNS story?

I'm still using Gmail. Should I switch from GMail to
Google Apps for Business ($50/year)?

As for blogging - I consider using WordPress.
And very cautious now about using Google Plus - they might eventually bring decaying Google Blogger team over.
Clean and soberanspa on December 1st, 2011 05:50 am (UTC)
As a sysadmin I am a paranoid by my natural instincts. =) I always ask myself "what if this service or product X would cease to exist". I have had numerous conversations in the office and had to argue with statements like "AOL IM would be working forever" etc.

As about Gmail, even at present time it has certain security flaws, free or business service, does not matter. But it is convenient, no questions about it.

If I were you, I would have two rented servers as a reliable fault-tolerant cluster (two different geo-locations at two independent hosting providers) with a meaningful backup strategy.

I've setup a few sites using WordPress. Due to its popularity, sometimes it gets a security trouble or two uncovered, but usually it was quickly fixed.. so, one just needs to keep an eye on it.

I treat all my blogs as an entertainment. If I lost my lj or google plus account, I would not mourn it for too long. With email it's more serious. I consider to move my yahoo account to a rented server or two using a personal domain instead. Even though I use my yahoo since circa '96.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 1st, 2011 06:25 am (UTC)
1) "two rented servers as a reliable fault-tolerant cluster" - do you mean just for blogging?
Isn't it too much?

2) WordPress - if it's standard account - there is not much to setup. And it's free.
I think I've heard of good premium WordPress service for $5/month.

3) I think that if I run my mail server personally - it would be even less reliable than free Gmail.
But even for you as for professional sysadmin it would be less expensive and more reliable using Google Apps for Business (with your own domain).
Clean and soberanspa on December 1st, 2011 02:38 pm (UTC)
#1 - I meant for everything, email mostly. It depends how much you value your blogging. I don't value mine that high, as I said above. Email is more valuable to me.

#2 - there are some steps in customizing/securing it, choosing appropriate styles, creating the site etc, it does not start on its own. $5/month fees seems to be excessive, I can have mine as part of $10/month hosted server that I would use for many other things. You can get a blogger account for free at wordpress.com or blogspot.com, but, again, it would not be yours then.

#3 - I gave you my opinion earlier which is quite opposite. I will use external services that I absolutely cannot do myself. Like accounting etc. Gmail business does not seem to me as a valuable business service, mostly because of security concerns and dependencies.
ex_juan_gan on December 1st, 2011 06:24 am (UTC)
Oh shit. How come? I kind of counted on it being around forever...
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 1st, 2011 06:31 am (UTC)
How come?

That's what I'm trying to determine ... unsuccessfully (follow the link to the forum in my original posting).

But if you are not making new postings - your blog is not going to be deleted. You risk only when you post something new.

As for Blogger.com's future in general -- I think it would take another 5 years before Blogger decline would become obvious, then Larry would cut the waste and your blog would get archived. Then in another 5 years - deleted.
СБsab123 on December 29th, 2011 05:40 pm (UTC)
Немножко объяснения: алгоритм, согласно которому вещи метятся как спам и том уподобное, Г. держит в секрете, чтобы осложнить спаммерам поиск способов его обхода. Почему суппорт не может это решение перерешить - загадка природы. Такое ощущение, что синдром ефрейтора.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 29th, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
У меня есть этому хорошее объяснение: изначальные основатели Blogger.com уже давным-давно из него ушли.
Теперь blogger.com в руках очень посредственных менеджеров, которые не очень интересуются удобством пользователей, а больше интересуются политическими играми на своей карьерной лестнице в Гугле.
Или это и есть "синдром ефрейтора"?
СБsab123 on December 29th, 2011 06:53 pm (UTC)
Я имел в виду, когда человек, который в-общем от горшка два вершка получает какую-то пусть мелкую, но Власть.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on December 29th, 2011 07:41 pm (UTC)
Это уже объяснение поведения конкретного модератора, а не системы в целом.