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23 February 2015 @ 12:13 pm
Parking ticket - part 2  
My parking ticket story continues.

My St.Johns county clerk office quickly replied to my email.
Dear Mr. Gorelik,

You have a few options in regards to this matter.
You can request a court hearing (Parking/Court Request form attached),
or pay the $40.00 penalty within 30 days from the date of "violation".

To inquire about the "No parking" sign situation you must contact the
Issuing Agency (SJSO 904-824-8304).

If you have further questions please call our office at 904-819-3628 /
Option 4.


Traffic/Parking Dept
St Johns Co. Clerks Office

Unfortunately St Johns Sheriff's office (SJSO) did not give me the explanation, but instead transferred my call internally (3 times) then transferred me back to St Johns Clerks Office.

So now my options are:
1) Pay $40 within 30 days.
2) Fill "PT Court Request.doc", get court date, arrive at court and risk to loose extra $40 if I found guilty.

"Just pay" (1) is obviously a cheaper option, because there would be no time spent and no risk to get extra $40 court fee.

Court option (2) is more time consuming, but would satisfy my curiosity about where it is ok to park and what happens at court.

What do you think I should do and what is most likely outcome in court?

Part 3 - The Closure
Биологalleukemist on February 23rd, 2015 05:33 pm (UTC)
I would go to a court. If for nothing else, just to get some experience with the system.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 23rd, 2015 05:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's a compelling reason.
ex_juan_gan on February 23rd, 2015 07:55 pm (UTC)
Just out of curiosity. Otherwise - pay and forget it.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 23rd, 2015 09:30 pm (UTC)
Do you think I will loose that court hearing?
ex_juan_gan on February 23rd, 2015 09:35 pm (UTC)
Not necessarily.
You do not have pictures of the place, do you? Of course it would make more sense to take pictures right away.

But I would also look into the laws, closely.

In any case, is not it fun? Did you ever go to a court? It's entertaining!
Anatoli Dontsovlamantyn on February 23rd, 2015 10:13 pm (UTC)
> It's entertaining!

Ну разве что один раз.
Anatoli Dontsovlamantyn on February 23rd, 2015 10:12 pm (UTC)
Ну конечно проиграешь. Может ли лягушка победить каток?
В NYC на парковочных тикетах собирают 500 млн баксов в год.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 23rd, 2015 10:36 pm (UTC)
А ты пробовал? Или видел как другие пробовали?

Что сделать-то лучше?
Заплатить, больше не парковаться на том месте, а остальное забыть?
Anatoli Dontsovlamantyn on February 24th, 2015 12:20 am (UTC)
Пробовал. $400 за спидинг пытался отбить.
Послал discovery request, они сделали вид, что по не правильному адресу послал. Но на суд пришли с бумажкой на радар.
Я указал судье что номер радара в тикете и сертификации разные.
Коп заявил, "мамой клянусь эта сертификация именно на этот радар" и судья покивал головой "конечно верю, дорогой". Ну и все. Guilty.

Другой дядечка пришел с лоером, а коп не явился. Case dismissed.

Заплатить. Поинтов не начисляют же за парковку.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 12:33 am (UTC)
> Ну и все. Guilty.

Взяли ещё что-то сверху тикета или нет?
Сколько это времени заняло?

> Заплатить.

Ну хорошо, а на будущее - не парковаться "in grass"?
Просто про "no parking in grass" правило не получается ничего найти, кроме как в моём тикете.
Anatoli Dontsovlamantyn on February 24th, 2015 01:12 am (UTC)
Баксов 12 добавили за хлопоты. Часа два сидел в зале, пока конвеер работал.

Парковочные правила вырабатывает муниципалитет. Как у городского лоера фантазия работает.
Может придумать правило "head-in parking only".

Вешают в малозаметном месте и колядуют.
Если знаешь, что в городе этим злоупотребляют - не паркуйся.

Columbia, Missouri:

14.281 Parked Obstructing Traffic $50
14.282 Parked in an Alley $50
14.286 Parked Blocking Driveway/Sidewalk $50
14.286 Yellow Zone $30
14.290 Parked in Fire Zone $100
14.324 Prohibited Parking - Designated Streets $15
14.353 Parked in Loading Zone $30
14.372 Parked Ignoring Markers $15
14.412 Changing from one metered spot to another in same block $15
14-420 Expired Meter - $15 if paid within 15 days of issuance. $30.00 after 15 days.
14.443 Handicap Parking $100
14.551 Vehicle Trespassing on Private Lot $40
29.30 Off Street Parking (parking in grass) $15
onanim.wordpress.com on February 23rd, 2015 11:50 pm (UTC)
Loose lips sink ships.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 12:22 am (UTC)
How is this "Loose lips sink ships" applicable in my case?

I'm not going into war with my county sheriff's department.
I'm just slightly frustrated that they do not communicate rules that they enforce clearly.
onanim.wordpress.com on February 24th, 2015 03:46 am (UTC)
Lern to splel. The word "lose" in particular.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 01:44 pm (UTC)
Where should I have used word "lose"?
onanim.wordpress.com on February 23rd, 2015 11:50 pm (UTC)
Pull up the relevant local laws and see what they say about parking on grass/nature strips.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 12:24 am (UTC)
It's easier said than done.
Search for st.john's "parking ticket" "in grass" returns no meaningful results.
Anatoli Dontsovlamantyn on February 24th, 2015 01:19 am (UTC)
"Driving or parking on sidewalks, lawns, around gates/barricades"

"in grass" - короче писать.

Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 01:48 am (UTC)
Thanks, that explains it.
The article you found is not about us (sorry, I mistyped "st john's" instead of "st johns"), but the idea is the same - they do not really allow that way of parking.

It also looks like last time I parked on a grass (nearby) - I got lucky.

It seems that Ponte Vedra Beach do not allow that for a long time (since 2003 or before).

Here's the relevant article - just about my place Mickler's landing:
Julie Wintz of Ponte Vedra Beach finds a parking ticket on the windshield of a friend's car Sunday at Mickler's Landing. The car was parked on the grass.
On Saturday afternoon, sheriff's Deputy Gene Ash was busy writing tickets for every vehicle parked along the side of Mickler's lot, on the grass and next to trees. He said he wrote about 30 on Memorial Day weekend.
That's what I did about a year ago (but did not get ticket back then).

So now I know what the parking policy is, there is no point of going in court in order to get "guilty" verdict.

My only chance would be if the officer who wrote my ticket would not show up. But that's not interesting game to play anyway.
Leonid Smetaninleonid_smetanin on February 24th, 2015 03:59 am (UTC)
а поход в суд ничем кроме сорока баксов не грозит? Ну там, не знаю, какой-нибудь записи где-нибудь, которая потом боком выйдет?
Если только баксы, то конечно в суд -- как минимум это интересно выяснить как оно там внутри устроено.
Dennis Gorelikdennisgorelik on February 24th, 2015 01:51 pm (UTC)
1) If the judge finds me guilty - not only I will have to pay $40, I may have to pay $40 for court hearing.

In addition to that I think that court record will probably be public.

2) I think I still would have a chance to spend my first time in court - some time in the future.
With higher odds of success (or, at least, with more at stake).

It is interesting to learn about our county court, of course, but I guess my time could be better spent right now.